tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post6352589510642607832..comments2024-03-17T08:27:53.658-05:00Comments on Stonekettle Station: On the nature of TrollsJim Wrighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-20145799714084423052008-02-27T17:30:00.000-06:002008-02-27T17:30:00.000-06:00Late to the party, real life blew up again on me.....Late to the party, real life blew up again on me... but I'd have to agree, this is a great bunch of folks and I'm happy to have connected with y' all online.<BR/><BR/>As far as titles, I'm partial to Supreme Web Commander. :) Or Senior Executive VP of something or other.. not clever today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-79329008588857661182008-02-24T16:11:00.000-06:002008-02-24T16:11:00.000-06:00He sounds like quite a find. And I can deduce wha...He sounds like quite a find. And I can deduce what a "piss biscut" is, though I've never seen one (and don't need to, thank you very much!).Anne C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09444051201220766948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-44025833930454227752008-02-24T13:04:00.000-06:002008-02-24T13:04:00.000-06:00Anne, if you knew Zap, you really wouldn't have to...Anne, if you knew Zap, you really wouldn't have to ask that, because the answer is--his the dark recesses of his brain.<BR/><BR/>Just to explain that further, here are the two quotes his was most famous for at one point:<BR/><BR/>1) WHO PUT THE PISS BISCUIT IN MY POCKET? (Ask a guy if you don't know what that is. I was very sorry to have been enlightened.)<BR/><BR/>2) (To an attractive female) You smell like toilet paper--unused of course.<BR/><BR/>But really, I could tell Zap stories for hours.Random Michelle Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817444379694818074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-18579372427294288202008-02-24T09:06:00.000-06:002008-02-24T09:06:00.000-06:00WV is some of the purtiest country around, frankly...WV is some of the purtiest country around, frankly.<BR/><BR/>And I won't tease you about Cooter, though I have no idea where he would get it from if <I>not</I> from TV. He was one of my favorite characters though -- him and Enos. I think it's 'cause they were both so earnest and good-hearted. 'Sides, you'd rather go by Cooter than Shelly Jo, and who wouldn't? ;)<BR/><BR/>Speaking of chaw, that was a white elephant gift at the last office holiday party. Two kinds, Redman and Copenhagen. (I know the jingle for that one, 'cause I worked with a Texan who would sing it periodically.) Of course, the recipient didn't want it and left it on the table. I accurately predicted that someone else (see, I work at a company that's half construction) would take the Copenhagen and not the Redman. Sure enough, at the end of the night, I saw the bag of Redman sitting all by its lonesome.Anne C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09444051201220766948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-20451757402725736372008-02-23T21:00:00.000-06:002008-02-23T21:00:00.000-06:00Thank you Jim,I think. :) No one much gave me a ha...Thank you Jim,<BR/><BR/>I think. :) No one much gave me a hard time in college, but after I've gotten several "Dukes of Hazard" jokes.<BR/><BR/>And sill Jim, no NASCAR tracks in WV--there's not enough flat land for one. (Ever seen <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeager_Airport" REL="nofollow">Yaegar Airport</A>?)Random Michelle Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817444379694818074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-8921657308560167642008-02-23T16:25:00.000-06:002008-02-23T16:25:00.000-06:00Humbert? Poor guy, yeah I'd use Zap too. Cooter? W...Humbert? Poor guy, yeah I'd use Zap too. <BR/><BR/>Cooter? Where's the big deal with that? You must live within ten miles of <I>twenty</I> Cooters, ten Pistols, five Bubbas, two liquor stores, and at least one NASCAR track. <BR/><BR/>:)Jim Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-88977227689491353652008-02-23T11:43:00.000-06:002008-02-23T11:43:00.000-06:00Redman! The only chaw I've ever tried!Redman! The only chaw I've ever tried!John the Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03467337009577733553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-364423205217465672008-02-23T08:12:00.000-06:002008-02-23T08:12:00.000-06:00Okay, okay, my nickname in college, give me by my ...Okay, okay, my nickname in college, give me by my friend Zap was Cooter.<BR/><BR/>And Zap was a shortening of his last name. His mother named him Humbert. So you can see why he went by Zap.Random Michelle Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817444379694818074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-49458677150803864772008-02-22T21:40:00.000-06:002008-02-22T21:40:00.000-06:00And seriously, if a guy named 'Zap' came up with i...And seriously, if a guy named 'Zap' came up with it, I really, really want to know.Jim Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-58059440166446839792008-02-22T21:38:00.000-06:002008-02-22T21:38:00.000-06:00Shelly Jo, hitch up yer tube top and spit out the ...Shelly Jo, hitch up yer tube top and spit out the Redman, and tell us.Jim Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-44365277990606898902008-02-22T21:07:00.000-06:002008-02-22T21:07:00.000-06:00Anne,You have to promise to understand that my fri...Anne,<BR/><BR/>You have to promise to understand that my friend Zap came up with it off the top of his head one night. And it has nothing to do with TV shows or the life.Random Michelle Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817444379694818074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-28050546962922068012008-02-22T20:44:00.000-06:002008-02-22T20:44:00.000-06:00Michelle, now you'll never hear the end of it if y...Michelle, now you'll never hear the end of it if you DON'T tell us.<BR/><BR/>I was trying to allude to the first plus middle, but obviously didn't do a very good job.<BR/>I'd prefer something particularly dense sounding: Lee Jo Bob? Oooh, Bobbi Jo Lee! Has a nice ring to it. Except there's probably a couple dozen people of both sexes with that name. And it would be better to have my own name in there somewhere. I'll have to keep thinking about it.<BR/><BR/>So, what's your redneck name, Shelly Jo?Anne C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09444051201220766948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-26831950798017440502008-02-22T15:55:00.000-06:002008-02-22T15:55:00.000-06:00Ah, like my mom and "Lizzie".Ah, like my mom and "Lizzie".John the Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03467337009577733553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-61209610406491624382008-02-22T15:36:00.000-06:002008-02-22T15:36:00.000-06:00John,At the tender age of four I snipply told my w...John,<BR/><BR/>At the tender age of four I snipply told my wonderful grandmother, "That's not my name, my name is Michelle"<BR/><BR/>So I'm not so fond of Shelly.<BR/><BR/>I'd tell you the redneck nickname I had in college, but I'd never heard the end of it.Random Michelle Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817444379694818074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-42573827113872141002008-02-22T15:29:00.000-06:002008-02-22T15:29:00.000-06:00Shelly Jo?Shelly Jo?John the Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03467337009577733553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-15079241539818894712008-02-22T15:14:00.000-06:002008-02-22T15:14:00.000-06:00Anne,Actually, you often need multiple names, like...Anne,<BR/><BR/>Actually, you often need multiple names, like Billie Jo, Jim Bob, etc.<BR/><BR/>Kinda like Catholic names: Anne Marie and Mary Beth, and so forth.<BR/><BR/>So you could be Sue Ann if you wanted to stick with your name as part of a redneck name.<BR/><BR/>My name can only be shortened to make it properly redneck, and I refuse to go by that.Random Michelle Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817444379694818074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-70493549375723199782008-02-22T14:59:00.000-06:002008-02-22T14:59:00.000-06:00"I'm seriously putting the chicken before the cart..."I'm seriously putting the chicken before the cart here."<BR/><BR/>Hee! That's a great visual.<BR/><BR/>And I definitely want a redneck moniker, but the catch is rednecks don't use honorifics and usually only have one syllable names, (unless you have a middle name, Lee or Jo).<BR/><BR/>Glad I could give you an airing out opportunity MWT. :)<BR/><BR/>And if PNH offered to publish my work, I'd consider it, 'cause I'd be interacting with him on a professional level. Don't have to be friends to do that (though I imagine in some ways it might be easier if you were).Anne C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09444051201220766948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-72087132795447445902008-02-22T14:57:00.000-06:002008-02-22T14:57:00.000-06:00Yeah, I was originally thinking I'd submit my stuf...Yeah, I was originally thinking I'd submit my stuff to TOR too. If it went to TNH, I think that might work out okay. PNH and I would probably have some problems (because even if he doesn't remember me, I remember him). But TOR has other editors than just them two, and there are other publishers, so there will be other choices.MWThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09446603415730525882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-86361410471821021042008-02-22T14:54:00.000-06:002008-02-22T14:54:00.000-06:00Umm... MWT is AWESOME!That better?And I'm another ...Umm... MWT is AWESOME!<BR/><BR/>That better?<BR/><BR/>And I'm another person who doesn't reading Making Light much at all. For me the trouble was when Electrolite merged.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure PNH is very nice in person, but on-line he almost always comes across as mean.<BR/><BR/>And I don't need any additional mean in my life.Random Michelle Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817444379694818074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-76659132390762908312008-02-22T14:26:00.000-06:002008-02-22T14:26:00.000-06:00Depends on the money :)If he wants to pay me for t...Depends on the money :)<BR/><BR/>If he wants to pay me for the privilege, well we'll see. Unlike Scalzi I'm pretty attached to my writing. But again, unlike Scalzi, I don't make a living at it. Yet.<BR/><BR/>and I'm seriously putting the chicken before the cart here. I'm an optimist, yes I am.Jim Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-56820933237324185072008-02-22T14:10:00.000-06:002008-02-22T14:10:00.000-06:00Jim, it would be a hard choice for me if PNH were ...Jim, it would be a hard choice for me if PNH were ever in the position to be a potential editor. Seriously.John the Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03467337009577733553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-46139929991149833592008-02-22T14:09:00.000-06:002008-02-22T14:09:00.000-06:00"(If you think Scalzi has sycophants...)"Many (mos..."(If you think Scalzi has sycophants...)"<BR/><BR/>Many (most?) of the sychophants at ML are wannabe writers...John the Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03467337009577733553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-36710084549249066872008-02-22T14:06:00.000-06:002008-02-22T14:06:00.000-06:00intellectual intimidationYeah, smart people can be...<I>intellectual intimidation</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, smart people can be snobbish dickheads, same as stupid people. And man, does that piss off both the smart and stupid people.<BR/><BR/>Don't sweat it, MWT, I think, as you said, even Scalzi agreed with you eventually, even if he didn't out and out say so.<BR/><BR/>And I can't really fault him for that, PNH is a personal friend of his, you and I and the rest of us are just words on a screen. I don't mean that in a nasty way, but you back up your friends when it comes down to it, even if they're being asses. And if you've got any class, then in private you straighten them out. Scalzi has a lot of class, I suspect he and PNH talked this one over eventually. Then again, a lot of water goes under the Whatever bridge, it might not have been a big deal to him. <BR/><BR/>I feel fairly confident saying for everybody here, we think you're pretty swell, so I wouldn't waste a lot of time thinking about it. Maybe someday, if I ever finish this damned book, PNH will buy it, until then he's just words on the screen to me. :)Jim Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-33493161273297278962008-02-22T13:15:00.000-06:002008-02-22T13:15:00.000-06:00Wow. And here I thought I was the only Whateverite...Wow. And here I thought I was the only Whateverite who thought what I did. <BR/><BR/>I actually wrote up <A HREF="http://kayara.blogspot.com/2007/07/who-what-and-wikipedia-editting.html" REL="nofollow">another blog post</A> at the time to detail my thoughts (though basically it's the same as what John, Jim, and Anne are saying here). Basically I saw the crowd around Saberhagen as <A HREF="http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/004739.html" REL="nofollow">crazy screechy monkeys</A>, and Quatloo as the poor sap armed with only a stick.<BR/><BR/>As for Making Light, well I'd already started wandering away due to their penchant for intellectual intimidation, but after that my opinion took a nosedive and I just stopped wanting to go there anymore. I remember, at the time that TNH and PNH came into things, that I had the feeling of defending my stomping grounds on the Whatever from the intimidators of Making Light. I had to take a stand. "This place is <I>not <B>that</B></I> place and I will not be silent here." (If you think Scalzi has sycophants...)<BR/><BR/>Then there was the fact that I did have a high opinion of Scalzi before it started, and I knew he was better than that. If I didn't respect him I wouldn't've argued so strenuously, because he wouldn't've been worth it - but he was, and the Whatever was, so there I was.<BR/><BR/>No one said anything to me in private about any of it, but Scalzi did back down and stop arguing with me. I think that he couldn't really come out and <I>say</I> he had returned to his senses (aka "changed sides") after all that buildup, and with PNH going off the deep end. So I read the subtler signs (such as not listing the Saberhagen thread as one of the year's "best of"'s even though he did list one of the Ben Myers ones), and figured that was good enough for me. My opinion of him is back to what it was before, and as Jim said everyone has their off days.<BR/><BR/>Thanks Anne for bringing all this up so that I could air out my thoughts about it. Thanks Jim for providing Stonekettle Station for the purpose. ;)<BR/><BR/>And speaking of off days - I suspect one of my own posts yesterday might've pissed off a lot of people. I revised it and hope it's ... well, less offensive (I still wouldn't call it a good post). Sorry. :/MWThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09446603415730525882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-25179772032276897002008-02-22T12:19:00.000-06:002008-02-22T12:19:00.000-06:00I need to find Anne C a good redneck rank, because...I need to find Anne C a good redneck rank, because we graduated from the same high school.John the Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03467337009577733553noreply@blogger.com