tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post5784936431713900501..comments2024-03-28T14:52:13.218-05:00Comments on Stonekettle Station: 30 Pieces of SilverJim Wrighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comBlogger129125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-75342340670633811862014-05-11T13:03:43.620-05:002014-05-11T13:03:43.620-05:00I really enjoy the Lambasting of the Imbeciles in ...I really enjoy the Lambasting of the Imbeciles in this blog. Thanks very much for doing so. My only slight quibble with this blog is the fact that you're so much better at it than I am. <br /><br />Thanks again, and keep up the good work.Archvillainhttp://archvillain.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-71192506809118447792014-03-04T01:46:25.766-06:002014-03-04T01:46:25.766-06:00I am a Christian, yet, I am just not a bigoted, mi...I am a Christian, yet, I am just not a bigoted, miserable, judgmental person. I was appalled at the "Christian" support for this. It is as repulsive to Christians like myself as it is to those who do not have the belief. The right wing agenda is an embarrassing humiliation for many of us. We recognize nothing in it. <br /><br />Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16844259769006461279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-25234722126981912222014-03-03T14:16:49.454-06:002014-03-03T14:16:49.454-06:00I've really got to go back and read more Russe...I've really got to go back and read more Russell. Damn that's as good as Jim.Long Ben Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12382408372788942193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-4203910063301222592014-03-03T13:29:47.894-06:002014-03-03T13:29:47.894-06:00I'm not an American, you don't just worry ...I'm not an American, you don't just worry the rest of The World, you scare the living crap out vast swathes of It!<br />This being written on Monday 3rd of March 2014, with the situation in The Ukraine slowly circling the pan, I have to also admit that you guys don't have the monopoly on scaring the living crap out of the rest of your fellow beings on The Spaceship Earth. The Russians are quite capable in that direction. Long Ben Averyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12382408372788942193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-11739012277035794392014-03-02T19:39:15.000-06:002014-03-02T19:39:15.000-06:00Zoe - You missed out Oregon. (Though in our case ...Zoe - You missed out Oregon. (Though in our case it's going to be a referendum rather than direct legislation - and ironically, it'll almost certainly be sharing the ballot with an initiative to repeal Measure 32, the Beaver State's equivalent to Prop 8.)Don Hilliardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-23578456628613317652014-03-02T17:04:08.020-06:002014-03-02T17:04:08.020-06:00Yes, but it has been so for YEARS now, that's ...Yes, but it has been so for YEARS now, that's why we have Citizens United and a host of other money related problems. It was "no man can serve two masters" this weekend in the RC gospel reading; I would say we here in America (at least the people in power) took up with Mammon long, long ago.<br /><br />JulieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-10768518471993221882014-03-02T10:33:00.023-06:002014-03-02T10:33:00.023-06:00The fuckheads in the Arizona Legislature will try ...<i>The fuckheads in the Arizona Legislature will try again</i><br /><br /><a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/arizona-hb-2481-anti-gay-bill" rel="nofollow">They already are...</a>Meanie-meanie, tickle a personhttp://www.fakeassurl.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-71813996868860831222014-03-02T08:42:47.083-06:002014-03-02T08:42:47.083-06:00Master-chief,
Quit reading my mind.
Regards,
T...Master-chief, <br />Quit reading my mind. <br />Regards, <br />TS Martin<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-78165291378954161722014-03-02T06:01:32.077-06:002014-03-02T06:01:32.077-06:00She supposedly can't run again, so she is the ...She supposedly can't run again, so she is the bad guy in the eyes of the christian taliban. But it doesn't hurt her politically, and it allows the other so called christian to say, but I did vote for it.<br />And did you see the reason the guy who voted for it but now wanted it vetoed?<br />he said they didn't realize it would come up 'so fast'. Does that mean they wanted it to surface around election time? Or after?dianedphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01671669779210554828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-12024578642619656842014-03-02T02:04:16.855-06:002014-03-02T02:04:16.855-06:00They wouldn't. I know the bill protected any b...They wouldn't. I know the bill protected any bigots from lawsuits brought by actual LGBTs, but I wonder what would happen if someone made a bad call and ended up discriminating against a straight person. Would the law protect from that sort of suit?Ruby Jisellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-24951413186144239672014-03-01T03:54:41.203-06:002014-03-01T03:54:41.203-06:00Question: If said bill in Arizona had been passed ...Question: If said bill in Arizona had been passed into law, how would business owners actually know a customer was gay? I mean, aside from obvious situations such as gay weddings, how would they know?<br /><br />Or would gay people be forced to wear, say, Pink Triangles?<br /><br /><br />Land of The Free, hmmm.<br /><br /><br />Yeah, we've seen where THAT one goes.Deborah Evansnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-49058709338238655362014-03-01T00:41:51.097-06:002014-03-01T00:41:51.097-06:00Look, a politician is the lowest form of life. An...Look, a politician is the lowest form of life. And Republican politicians are the worst of the worst. They are all pieces of shit, and that includes Brewer, McCain, Flake, and all the rest of them. Brewer did what she did for money, as you said. <br /><br />The there is one bright spot. I have never seen gays as worked up and active as I did during this fight. This woke some of the people up who can't find the time to get involved and fight for our rights. Maybe some of them will stay awake.<br /><br />The fuckheads in the Arizona Legislature will try again to do something to screw with us, but we showed that we can rally the forces against them. Who cares if we had to energize the money interests? That's the way politics works. You win by mobilizing the forces that help you win. <br /><br />There is nothing to admire about Jan Brewer or John McCain or Jeff Flake or Mitt Romney. But they woke up to the reality that we are here and we are here to stay and we have growing power. So let's put it to use. And the way to do that is to VOTE and get others to VOTE. <br /><br />Gene in TucsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-1430513127106692772014-02-28T21:59:55.319-06:002014-02-28T21:59:55.319-06:00I swear, if these wrong-headed morons would spend ...I swear, if these wrong-headed morons would spend one-thousandth of the time & effort they waste in obstruction, hate/fear-mongering, underhanded tactics, and name-calling and instead use it in the service of working together to make a better place for us all to live, we'd be self-sufficient, civilized, and everyone would have flying cars. Thanks a lot, assholes.<br /><br />Pam in PAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-763819338547875582014-02-28T21:02:02.583-06:002014-02-28T21:02:02.583-06:00Best commentator I know on Arizona:http://roguecol...Best commentator I know on Arizona:http://roguecolumnist.typepad.combearsensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12000858896207125033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-87249915391153346582014-02-28T17:00:09.096-06:002014-02-28T17:00:09.096-06:00If I may engage in a little tealeaf reading, a few...If I may engage in a little tealeaf reading, a few excerpts from Brewer's not-signing statement:<br /><br /><i>...our immediate challenge is fixing a broken child protection system. <b>Instead, this is the first policy bill to cross my desk</b>.<br /><br />Senate Bill 1062 does not address a specific or present concern related to religious liberty<br /><br />I have not heard one example in Arizona where a business owner's religious liberty has been violated. The bill is broadly worded and could result in unintended and negative consequences<br /><br />I sincerely believe that Senate Bill 1062 has the potential to create more problems than it <b>purports</b> to solve.</i><br /><br />Some of the wording suggests Brewer isn't really worried about a religious backlash, but the same wording, if the fundies are paying attention, could be smelt as a fart in their general direction. <br /><br />The first bolded phrase, "Instead, this is the first policy bill to cross my desk" is a dig at the legislature, and thus the religious Republicans that control it.<br /><br />Then she notes the bill doesn't address a specific, present concern. Another slap at the leg for wasting their time on nonsense. Not her words, but that's the clear meaning.<br /><br />Then she sinks the nail she just drove in by noting there are no examples of anyone suffering the indignities the bill was supposedly meant to remedy.<br /><br />I like the last one best. She notes the bill might "create more problems than it purports to solve". Good word, "purports". Seems to me if her heart was with the fundies, regardless of the necessity of vetoing the bill, she'd find some way to signal that. One of the verbal dog-whistles they like so well. "Purports" can be read as "claims" with no linguistic gymnastics at all, and "claims" is a favorite of ideological detractors. "so-called" is another one. <br /><br />OK, I'm a tealeaf-reading Kremlinologist, probably making much ado about nothing, but...I dunno. (Disclaimer: I don't like Brewer one bit, and that airport photo-op she engineered for the sole purpose of waggling her finger in Obama's face on camera still rankles.) Just saying she might be more of a garden-variety Asshole Republican than a god-botherer. A distinction without a difference? To us, probably. To the JeezoNazis, maybe not.<br /><br />Then, too, she--or her speech writer--might have worded it that way just for people like me...Meanie-meanie, tickle a personhttp://www.fakeassurl.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-17799675010098848112014-02-28T15:06:38.412-06:002014-02-28T15:06:38.412-06:00Excellent commentary. I agree with every word you ...Excellent commentary. I agree with every word you stated. This move was nothing more than the sound of ki chink ringing loudly in her ears and the telephone calls made by those zealots telling her how to spin it so she can come out looking like St Theresa. I am not buying it and i don't think reasonable people bought it either. These people are talented hypocrites. They would cut down a tree and then stand on top of the tree and make a speech about conservation. I hope the voters use this little drama in their next election decision. I would rather have a liar in the house than a liar who is also a hypocrite. JuiceUnithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18361941556640662278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-56340300358398669632014-02-28T14:46:20.547-06:002014-02-28T14:46:20.547-06:00Boy, good thing you don't resort to labels, An...Boy, good thing <i>you</i> don't resort to labels, Anonymous. <br /><br />Or engage in personal attacks. <br /><br />Or fixate on one word or phrase. <br /><br />Yeah, that's a good thing. I'll have to work on that, thanks for pointing it out and setting the example. <br /><br /><i>You are a typical Liberal</i><br /><br />And you are the standard issue anonymous troll. I'll be sure to file your observation right next the email I just got calling me a "typical warmongering conservative."<br /><br /><i>Then you cower behind your moderator buttons.</i><br /><br />It amuses me that you seem to think you're the only obnoxious blowhard who shows up here. Or that you think your blustering boilerplate bullshit is somehow special, I see a hundred comments from babbling jackasses just like you every day. <br /><br />If you don't like how I run <i>my</i> site, then what are you doing here? I mean, really, what's that say about you?<br /><br />Do you really, <i>really</i>, think you're going to change my mind with your threats and insults and little passive-aggressive taunts? Really? I mean does that work for you, like ever? <br /><br />Anonymous, there are plenty of libertarian circlejerks on the internet where you'll be welcome, by all means head on over to The Blaze and don't be shy with the reach-arounds. <br /><br /><i>I figured you for more fight. To find out you are a coward was very disappointing.</i><br /><br />Some anonymous asshole from the internet thinks I'm a coward? How oh how will I ever live with the shame? <br /><br /><i>No, you won't publish this. </i> <br /><br />Looks like you're as right about that as you are with the rest of your bullshit. <br /><br />Be a good little troll and fuck off now, Anonymous. Nothing from you will ever post again. Jim Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-80850968205915641752014-02-28T14:27:54.303-06:002014-02-28T14:27:54.303-06:00Jim, Like many other before me, I want to thank y...Jim, Like many other before me, I want to thank you for expressing your outrage at this issue and a number of others. It was so gratifying to hear/read what I have been thinking and feeling. Like a bad itch being scratched. I look forward to hearing more about your world view. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-25384800156838193312014-02-28T14:03:00.252-06:002014-02-28T14:03:00.252-06:00And yet you hide behind anonymity. How easy is it ...And yet you hide behind anonymity. How easy is it to call someone out when you have no skin in the game. If I were into calling names, I would say, Typical Tea Partier.Yogihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18149759309589778285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-119250304446480802014-02-28T13:53:50.763-06:002014-02-28T13:53:50.763-06:00Jan only made the right choice because she cannot ...Jan only made the right choice because she cannot run for Governor again. If she was able to be on the ballot, I think she would have strongly considered signing it. She has nothing to lose in challenging the RW in AZ. This was agonizing to watch from Tucson. Her comment about the bill being "too broadly worded" was such an interesting one. It was worded so that it might, just might, have been used against the oh so sensitive RW Christians in this state rather than limiting the discrimination to the LGBT community as intended. With that statement, she implied that had they worded it narrowly enough, she would have signed it. Gawd, I so wish either Pima and the other sane Southern AZ Co. could become their own state or that we could transport Maricopa and Pinal sanz the City of Phoenix to Texas!!!<br />MontanaSouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04602535818816826835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-8269610426445976202014-02-28T13:41:04.092-06:002014-02-28T13:41:04.092-06:00Lincoln also pragmatically suspended the writ of h...Lincoln also pragmatically suspended the writ of habeas corpus, imprisoned tens of thousands of political dissenters, waged total war against southern citizens (rape, plunder, burning of houses and whole towns during winter, summary executions, 50,000 dead civilians), taxed alcohol and tobacco, introduced the first federal income tax and draft, executed thousands of dissenters who were drafted but deserted, closed hundreds of newspapers that criticized him or the war, destroyed the value of the currency by revoking the gold standard, and deported a sitting member of Congress. All of this was blatantly unconstitutional, but he had to be pragmatic, right?<br /><br />No, you won't publish this. You are a typical Liberal. When your flimsy arguments begin to crumble, you run and hide. In your case, you create a diversionary argument by parsing some word or phrase, or you affix a label thinking you can dismiss the argument out of hand. Then you cower behind your moderator buttons. I figured you for more fight. To find out you are a coward was very disappointing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-83389994547792631352014-02-28T13:24:41.444-06:002014-02-28T13:24:41.444-06:00Mike, I understand what you're saying, I do, a...Mike, I understand what you're saying, I do, and I concede that you are correct in broad strokes. <br /><br />But you're leaving a few important things out. <br /><br />Tell you what, you have my word, if Brewer now follows through and vacates her party's and her religion's anti-gay position and supports full rights (including the right to marry), for LGBT people, in her state and all others, as Lincoln eventually supported full citizenship for the slaves he freed, I'll do as you ask and sing Brewer's praises - and you may hold me to it. I'll formally apologize for questioning her moral courage in this post and hail her pragmatic change of heart. <br /><br />Hell, even Lincoln welcomed the rebel South back into the union, I'll be happy to welcome Brewer to the ranks of former republicans (you know, like me). <br /><br />And just for the record, again, I agree with the gist of your comment. I sincerely do. I really don't have a problem with pragmatism in a politician per se, and in point of fact I'd like to see a lot more of it on <i>both</i> sides of the aisle instead of chest beating ideology and fanatical obstruction in support of political principles. <br /><br />That's the whole point of this article, Mike. Like you, I think she made the right call, but I protest that it's a single case for cynical reasons instead of the beginning of an <i>actual</i> change of rudder - as it was for Lincoln. <br />Jim Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-8191026872531995892014-02-28T12:36:06.316-06:002014-02-28T12:36:06.316-06:00... based on the author saying the (R)s are wrong,...<i>... based on the author saying the (R)s are wrong, regardless of which side of the issue they are on</i><br /><br />Sure. That's what I said. All republicans are evil. Boy, I hope you didn't miss that part where I said all Christians were evil too. And everybody who lives in Arizona is evil. And...oh, hell, you know, evil is everywhere. You can tell that's what I said, being as I used the words "all" and "evil" so many times in the text.<br /><br /><i>As a moderate, I can say without reservation...</i><br /><br />Oh, as a <i>moderate</i> you're an expert on my big gay "agenda" then, are you? Well, as a <i>moderate</i>, I guess you've found me out, Sir. Well done. <br /><br />You may, if you like, visualize me rolling my eyes here.Jim Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-75420973322545272882014-02-28T11:48:12.116-06:002014-02-28T11:48:12.116-06:00If you're going to slam Brewer for her pragmat...If you're going to slam Brewer for her pragmatism in vetoing a blatantly anti-gay bill, then slam Lincoln for his naked pragmatism in signing the Emancipation Proclamation, by which he abandoned his most beloved moral principles, including the defense of the U.S. Constitution and belief in democracy.<br /> Lincoln signed this decree via his authority as commander-in-chief during a time of national emergency. Congress had no role to play in it. He signed it not on the basis that he considered slavery immoral (although he believed as much privately) or unconstitutional (which slavery most definitely was not, especially in the wake of the Dred Scott decision), but because slaves in Confederate states were considered essential assets to the rebel war machine. Freeing the slaves behind enemy lines (but not in Union state, such as Missouri, where slavery continued) dealt a devastating blow to the Confederate cause. In retrospect, Lincoln made a nakedly pragmatic move that was the exactly right one to make at that moment. So ease up on Jan Brewer and congratulate her for making the right call, regardless of her public reasons for doing so. Let's face it, the best politicians make their decisions on the basis of a mix of personal conscience and hard-headed pragmatism. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-91801161050674367992014-02-28T11:40:45.536-06:002014-02-28T11:40:45.536-06:00theotherlee, I'm sorry, but I see this article...theotherlee, I'm sorry, but I see this article as a hack job trying to paint all Republicans as evil. You may ask how I came to that conclusion. For me, my conclusion is based on the author saying the (R)s are wrong, regardless of which side of the issue they are on. As a moderate, I can say without reservation, that many of the posters here, and the author, have an agenda to promote a certain mindset based on political affiliation. I honestly could care less what was the driving motivators were for the governor. The right decision was made.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com