tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post5532773656567957433..comments2024-03-20T12:34:55.100-05:00Comments on Stonekettle Station: Ask Stonekettle Station About HealthcareJim Wrighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-75444138034705394792009-11-24T02:20:35.184-06:002009-11-24T02:20:35.184-06:00Steve, try to remember. When they say "The Pe...Steve, try to remember. When they say "The People" they mean "Straight christian upper-class neocons".<br /><br />Anyone who disagrees with them is a filthy commie liberal, tragically deluded at best and subversively malicious at worst, and in no circumstances warrants being listened to.<br /><br />--Shad.Renshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12044782669297531020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-91753501474107316052009-11-23T15:41:51.494-06:002009-11-23T15:41:51.494-06:00You know I meant "HMOs"You know I meant "HMOs"MikeBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-88426867067400846522009-11-23T15:40:47.142-06:002009-11-23T15:40:47.142-06:00There really is nothing new though, is there. When...There really is nothing new though, is there. When the UK established it's National Health service after the war the initial support from the British Medical Association was very positive. Until, that is, they discovered the the government of the day had no intention of creating an insurance scheme that would pay doctors whatever they felt like charging. Then, all of a sudden, it was a terrible thing that would bankrupt the nation.<br /><br />Like now when "the people" who are "clamoring for us to stop this..." are probably the same people making millions from MHOs and other such organisations.MikeBhttp://zedefrag.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-22497853545569397542009-11-23T13:49:05.060-06:002009-11-23T13:49:05.060-06:00Tom Tomorrow nicely points out another disconnect ...Tom Tomorrow <a href="http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/11/17/tomo/story.jpg" rel="nofollow">nicely points out </a>another disconnect in some people's thinking on the matter.mensleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-79039945321314353352009-11-23T13:22:17.144-06:002009-11-23T13:22:17.144-06:00I really enjoy reading your blog, after I followed...I really enjoy reading your blog, after I followed a link here a couple of weeks ago. I've looked through alot of your past entries, and I find I tend to agree with you on most things.<br /><br />I have not understood why people can be against Healthcare Reform. We can spend trillions on a war oversees, and yet, we have people dying at home from illnesses and injuries that are treatable! It's truly mindboggling that those people want to turn their backs on the people they're supposed to represent.Joannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09655092093229886151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-49287325839336204752009-11-23T13:15:03.327-06:002009-11-23T13:15:03.327-06:00I was thinking along similar lines yesterday, actu...I was thinking along similar lines yesterday, actually: how I've sort of started tuning out Republicans' comments about how "stupid" it is to entrust people's lives and health to government bureaucrats because the very next talking point on the Repub agenda will be something about defense spending or getting tough on crime. I'm not sure how you get from "government employees can't be trusted with life and death decisions" to "so let's give them more guns and ammo and freer rein with less oversight."<br /><br />You end up thinking that at least hardcore libertarians get a point for consistency with this kind of thing. I mean, hardcore libertarianism is all kinds of batshit crazy, but they at least work their finals up to a "D" by having the same attitude towards the armed forces and police that they have towards public streets and highways or whatever: that it's all evil and stymies the individual and is an evil of collectivism, blah, blah, blah.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18275812152895151542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-81430398017244252052009-11-23T12:55:08.092-06:002009-11-23T12:55:08.092-06:00Didn't mean to derail the thread, Jim. It'...Didn't mean to derail the thread, Jim. It's actually a pretty darn important topic. Not sure I would have made it my Top 3 priority but it would have been in my Top 10 for sure.<br /><br />That said, I saw Animal House in the summer between my senior year of High School and freshman year of college. Care to guess how my freshman year went?Nick from the O.C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-43057940545990844812009-11-23T11:34:05.465-06:002009-11-23T11:34:05.465-06:00D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big...D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.<br />Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!<br />Otter: Germans?<br />Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.<br />Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...<br />[thinks hard]<br />Bluto: the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!<br />[runs out, alone; then returns]<br />Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...<br />Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.<br />Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.<br />D-Day: Let's do it.<br />Bluto: *Let’s do it*!Dr. Phil (Physics)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11943336276878704753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-11103631766054436312009-11-23T10:50:04.726-06:002009-11-23T10:50:04.726-06:00Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Don't stop him, ...<i>Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?</i><br /><br />Don't stop him, he's on a roll...<br /><br />Nick wins the Internet today for working an <i>Animal House</i> ref into the heathcare debate.Jim Wrighthttp://www.stonekettle.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-2782842122134937632009-11-23T10:38:18.479-06:002009-11-23T10:38:18.479-06:00Couple of points before the neocon world descends ...Couple of points before the neocon world descends on this blog like the Germans attacking Pearl Harbor.<br /><br />1. I don't know how to fix the U.S. healthcare system. I only know that it needs fixing, desperately. Those who argue that the status should remain quo are misinformed, to put it charitably.<br /><br />2. While opinions differ on how to fix the current system, the parties both agree that it needs to be fixed. Don't believe me? Go check out Sen. McCain's pre-November 2008 election site and look at his position on healthcare reform. Today's Republican standard-bearers would like us to forget that the party was pro-reform a year ago. My memory works better than that.<br /><br />3. I don't know how to fix the U.S. healthcare system, but I know somebody who does. Check out this blog entry (one of several) from somebody who's been in the medical insurance field for 25 years, as a consultant, executive, and broker. He has some good ideas; I wish somebody was listening.<br /><br />http://usturpin.wordpress.com/2009/09/04/confessions-of-a-blue-dog-insurance-gunfighter/Nick from the O.C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-64667378168164362142009-11-23T09:01:31.791-06:002009-11-23T09:01:31.791-06:00I think perhaps the most offensive aspect of the c...I think perhaps the most offensive aspect of the conservative opposition to Universal Health Care is the "fuck you, I've got mine" point of view. <br /><br />It's just so morally reprehensible - how can they live with themselves?Janiecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190655869710465713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-19307247870394540502009-11-23T07:30:30.273-06:002009-11-23T07:30:30.273-06:00"But the people are clamoring for us to stop ..."But the people are clamoring for us to stop this take over of healthcare"<br /><br />You know, until the Public Option is actually explained to them and then 70% support it (Gallup.com). I think that's within +/- 3% of a fucking huge majority.Steve Buchheithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12999709767641212586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-73854130046786633852009-11-23T07:02:52.691-06:002009-11-23T07:02:52.691-06:00Same thing in the 60s with medicare.
I'm stil...Same thing in the 60s with medicare.<br /><br />I'm still trying to figure out how George and Ben got the Constitution through in the first place, and yes I have read the Fedralist papers.Warner (aka ntsc)https://www.blogger.com/profile/12924176333302007261noreply@blogger.com