tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post5944192743570168848..comments2024-03-20T12:34:55.100-05:00Comments on Stonekettle Station: Droning On And OnJim Wrighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-42480976309483990612016-10-28T10:18:41.820-05:002016-10-28T10:18:41.820-05:00As an avid library patron and former library emplo...As an avid library patron and former library employee, I remember my library posting the Patriot Act warnings when that was passed-- "We may have to release your records to the federal govenment, blah blah blah."<br /><br />Then I started working there, and what they always told us was "we don't track patron checkout histories, because Patriot Act." I mean, everything was on computers-- that information was probably recoverable, after all. But I liked the sentiment.<br /><br />Your local public library: bastion of privacy and free information access.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00776359913972461404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-678118741023043232013-07-04T16:07:29.317-05:002013-07-04T16:07:29.317-05:00Very late note on this: "A document signed in...Very late note on this: "A document signed in 2010 by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano revealed plans to arm drones operated by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) with non-lethal weapons, The Arizona Republic reported Thursday." Read a short summary at http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-feds-planned-to-arm-drones-on-border, or follow it home from there.<br /><br />Be nice to be wrong about some of these things.Raven Onthillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634556869209594389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-56185539366271927062013-03-15T02:45:40.284-05:002013-03-15T02:45:40.284-05:00The NYCLU app is a recorder, with a few other feat...The NYCLU app is a recorder, with a few other features. It deploys surveillance against police abuses.<br /><br />Did you know that <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/dec/21/occupy-wall-street-occucopter-tim-pool" rel="nofollow">Occupy Wall Street had a mini surveillance drone</a> back in late 2011? A little hobby quadcopter with a videocam. I don't know if it's still in use.Raven Onthillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634556869209594389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-37724990255634138562013-03-15T00:00:42.263-05:002013-03-15T00:00:42.263-05:00The NYPD app for that is a club over the head or a...The NYPD app for that is a club over the head or a taser.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-79753595354957672702013-03-14T17:23:18.825-05:002013-03-14T17:23:18.825-05:00Well, Cheers Neocelt!! It's good to be appreci...Well, Cheers Neocelt!! It's good to be appreciated. Make it a Riggwelter or Old Peculier. I'm not picky, as long as the pint comes from Masham. Tommy DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-89814442489142934932013-03-14T11:33:46.152-05:002013-03-14T11:33:46.152-05:00Tommy D, me boyo. I want to shake your hand, sir. ...Tommy D, me boyo. I want to shake your hand, sir. Then I wanna buy you a pint!neocelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04749768101955435672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-52525083333140963112013-03-14T03:35:45.353-05:002013-03-14T03:35:45.353-05:00Because I was close the first time and right the s...Because I was close the first time and right the second, and wrong the third?<br /><br />Far as I can quickly tell the standard set out in <i>Terry</i> is still the law, but the law is more honored in the breach than the observance. <a href="http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-racial-justice/nyc-officials-appear-driven-defend-troubling-stop-and-frisk" rel="nofollow">ALCU on stop and frisk in NYC</a> and <a href="http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-racial-justice-technology-and-liberty-free-speech/worried-about-police" rel="nofollow">There's an App for That</a>.Raven Onthillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634556869209594389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-32350894241016613862013-03-13T14:23:28.037-05:002013-03-13T14:23:28.037-05:00Here's a Slate article on How Drones Kill Amer...Here's a Slate article on <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/03/drones_don_t_target_u_s_citizens_they_kill_them_overseas_as_collateral_damage.single.html" rel="nofollow">How Drones Kill Americans</a>.<br /><br />Summary: If you're an American don't stand by someone overseas targeted to be killed by a drone or you might be <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/anwar-awlaki-us-mulls-legality-killing-american-al-qaeda-turncoat/story?id=9651830" rel="nofollow">collateral damage</a>.<br /><br />TimBoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-70789704072903813282013-03-12T17:30:23.450-05:002013-03-12T17:30:23.450-05:00I was at the Rally to Restore Sanity in D.C. and, ...I was at the Rally to Restore Sanity in D.C. and, believe it or not, there are a LOT of us regular, sane people in this country. The wackos just yell louder and draw more attention to themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-14327846199667389532013-03-12T15:13:40.740-05:002013-03-12T15:13:40.740-05:00Weave in some Doctor Who as well, maybe using a so...Weave in some Doctor Who as well, maybe using a sonic screw driver.LCShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06230899522753297278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-3894577172763721112013-03-12T14:32:35.960-05:002013-03-12T14:32:35.960-05:00Excepting, of course, that there has been the push...Excepting, of course, that there has been the pushback from the crazies for at least a couple of years previous to an event that happened a month ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-7204534147946352782013-03-12T14:27:34.533-05:002013-03-12T14:27:34.533-05:00Your attempt at creating a false equivalence is ab...Your attempt at creating a false equivalence is abdicating the responsibility of properly utilizing observational reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-53157764510405402122013-03-12T14:20:53.901-05:002013-03-12T14:20:53.901-05:00If that's the case, why did you attempt to mak...If that's the case, why did you attempt to make the case that stop and frisk is illegal? <br /><br />Does your reality ping pong back and forth as much as your contradictory assertions? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-18657733715475851882013-03-12T11:43:39.798-05:002013-03-12T11:43:39.798-05:00However, as I understand it, reality has a liberal...However, as I understand it, reality has a liberal bias.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-30689030989658546502013-03-12T11:38:33.900-05:002013-03-12T11:38:33.900-05:00I thought drones were weapons and, like other weap...I thought drones were weapons and, like other weapons, could and would be used where and when necessary to enforce laws and/or fight the enemy. It's hard to imagine a situation in which it would make sense to use a drone against a target on American soil (though CPAC is looking pretty tempting, I admit), but if the occasion arose, I can't see why it should be prohibited any more than any other type of weapon if appropriate to the situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-27909957762244212582013-03-12T10:55:28.948-05:002013-03-12T10:55:28.948-05:00In a similar vein, I've noticed no one seems t...In a similar vein, I've noticed no one seems to have considered that "American citizens <b>on American soil</b> includes American embassies overseas. American embassies are considered "American soil" (and visa vie.)<br /><br />Would an American that takes a U.S. embassy hostage be protected under Paul's scenario? No one ever seems to have thought to ask.Mugsyhttp://mugsysrapsheet.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-65727652858221508792013-03-12T10:08:21.080-05:002013-03-12T10:08:21.080-05:00I find myself wondering if Sen. Paul got the idea ...I find myself wondering if Sen. Paul got the idea of using drones to kill Americans from an NBC promo for "1600 Penn" about a month ago, where the President, played by Bill Pullman, tells a young man interested in dating his daughter that he has "flying killer robots roaming the skies."<br /><br />Strange coincidence that the Teanuts suddenly started to worry about the presidents ability to target Americans with drones only days after that spot ran on Tea-vee.Mugsyhttp://mugsysrapsheet.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-672796313682475812013-03-12T07:57:36.286-05:002013-03-12T07:57:36.286-05:00Duh, offensive uses. I remember what normal sleep...Duh, offensive uses. I remember what normal sleep was.Raven Onthillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634556869209594389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-66962336778892987802013-03-12T07:55:40.941-05:002013-03-12T07:55:40.941-05:00I am aware that racial harassment (feh to the euph...I am aware that racial harassment (feh to the euphemism "racial profiling") by police is common and I also know that <i>Terry</i> has been turned into an infinitely expansible cover for all manner of invasive police practices. As you may guess, I think neither are morally defensible, any more than I think that <i>Citizens United</i> is morally defensible, though they are currently the law.Raven Onthillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634556869209594389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-91008953084251557952013-03-12T07:51:34.488-05:002013-03-12T07:51:34.488-05:00"Raven" is fine. Truthfully, if I'd..."Raven" is fine. Truthfully, if I'd realized how popular that pseudonym was, I'd probably have chosen a different one, or at least qualified it more; it turns out that many cultures regard ravens as special in some way, and so it's a really popular nym.<br /><br />The problem in Latin America, of course, is that it's hard for any country to refuse a "request" from the USA, since that request is usually made in a most pointed and lead-weighted way. Consider Allende, but don't only consider Allende. The bloody intensification of the drug way in Mexico seems to have been the idea of US drug warriors.<br /><br />And, for heavens sake, beyond surveillance, what defensive arms can a drone carry that do not also have defensive uses?Raven Onthillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06634556869209594389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-59439963126367129152013-03-11T22:48:39.041-05:002013-03-11T22:48:39.041-05:00Abdication of responsibility .... but yet come Nov...Abdication of responsibility .... but yet come November 2014 the R lemmings will still vote for the Rs and the D lemmings will still vote for the Ds. <br /><br />Errr, wait, never mind. That's the epitome of abdicating responsibility as a citizen. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-37425216914057651662013-03-11T17:48:45.031-05:002013-03-11T17:48:45.031-05:00Excellent, well thought out and reasoned discussio...Excellent, well thought out and reasoned discussion of the abdication of responsibility by congress and we fellow citizens.<br /><br />Glenn Greenwald also had a good discussion of the Rand Paul filibuster here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/10/paul-filibuster-drones-progressivesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-89274602644325303502013-03-11T16:59:56.078-05:002013-03-11T16:59:56.078-05:00I like that. How about "Apple Pie Fliers"...I like that. How about "Apple Pie Fliers" or "Momma's Little Eyes in the Sky" or even "Mother Hitton's Little Kittons"?<br /><br />TimBoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-24396237275425231532013-03-11T14:55:58.473-05:002013-03-11T14:55:58.473-05:00Like just about everything has a good and bad side...Like just about everything has a good and bad side or use.<br />Drones are no different. <br /><br />I just find it unbelievable that after 8 years of George W, drones are now a danger to Americans. No one had a problem with drone until the election of President Obama. Maybe it is the name. Americans' just loved the "Patriot Missile" back in the First Gulf War. Someone needs to come up with a more American red white & blue name for drones. <br /><br />If given a choice between our service men and women putting their lives on the line to take out an enemy or using a drone - it is a no brainer. Drone every time.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18117837896972479819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8243351006478134285.post-27050188847274624682013-03-11T13:28:02.314-05:002013-03-11T13:28:02.314-05:00Heather, How do you counter that kind of crazy?, ....Heather, How do you counter that kind of crazy?, ....you take a shower, wash your hair and step back into the fray.<br /><br />That today's 'citizen' is so goofy is, in part, directly attributable to how apathetic the 'regular folks' are. That the regular folks aren't demanding sane and reasoned public policies gives the nut balls free rein to dominate the debate. Irresponsibility breeds more irresponsible results.<br /><br />How do you counter 'teh Crazy' ? Through constant and untiring scorn and derision. Stand back up and quit backing away from it. Demand reality based solutions. Demand reality based discussions. Demand reality based journalism, demand reality based education. Demand reality based legislation. How do you counter the crazy? You push back harder, and then push some more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com